How to Train Your Dragon?

I've been mulling over possible item loadouts for my dragon lord, can't decide which one I like.

1.) First one I started with is a "standard eagle lord" build: Great Weapon, Shield, Armour of Destiny, Annoyance of Netlings, Dragonbane Gem, Potion of Foolhardiness.

This is 5 strength 6 attacks on one charge, and 4 thereafter, but striking last. Has a 3+ armour vs shooting and magic, 4+ in combat and a 4++ vs everything as well as the standard 2+ vs flaming. Also to hit him in challenges you need 6s. It's an awesome build on an eagle because it's a single T4 model instead of the two-part monster/rider that the dragon is. The problem with this build is the lord strikes last and the dragon is unprotected, also the netlings make no difference to anything striking against the dragon. In other words: guy on top is tough to kill, so smack the dragon instead.

2.) Next build is almost the same, but the Great Weapon and PoF are swapped out for Sword of Might. Suffers from the same problems as above, the difference is 4 S5 at I8 instead of 5 S6 for one round going last, then 4 S6 going last. Basically, is S5 going first comparable to S6 going last?

3.) Another choice, a bit more "off-the wall", uses some Wood Elf items: Light Armour, Shield, Spear of Twilight, Helm of The Hunt, Talisman of Preservation, Potion of Foolhardiness. Spear of Twilight confers Killing Blow, and the Helm of the Hunt is +1AS, as well as +1WS and A on the charge. This makes him 6 WS8 S5 Killing Blow attacks on the charge, with a 3+ AS and 4+ ward, and then 4 WS7 S4 KB thereafter. Again, the dragon is unprotected but the lack of Netlings makes the rider a more tempting target so attacks may go in the direction of the rider instead.

4.) Similar to the above, but dropping the potion and switching the spear for the Dawnspear. Removes Killing Blow, but if he causes any unsaved wounds the enemy and his unit are -1 to hit striking back. Less killy (only 4 WS7 S5), but a bit more defensive (same saves and helps protect the dragon as well due to the -1 to hit).

5.) Different again: Shield, Armour of Destiny, Sword of Swift Slaying, Potion of Strength. Fairly simple this, 4 S7 going first and getting rerolls against almost everything, then 4 S4 rerolling after that, 3+ save, 4+ ward.

I've also been trying to work out whether I can give him the Charmed Shield and keep the 3+ armour save, but I don't think I can. With the Charmed Shield, he is stuck with a 4+ armour save which can make huge difference in combat/vs magic missiles/shooting etc although there is the protection from that first cannonball.

Overall, I think the benefit of the charmed shield is outweighed by the benefits of using other magic armours. The Dragonhelm is being used elsewhere so that's also ruled out.

I can't decide which is the better of option between 1 and 2, although I suspect they're much of a muchness; I also like 3 a lot, and it certainly feels like it'll be more fun (and Wood Elf-y).  3 also has the advantage of being WYSIWYG, where the other options require the spear to "count as" whatever weapon is chosen.

Any thoughts, folks?

Battle Report Vs High Elves 2400 Points

Played a friendly game yesterday against Phil using the new High Elves against my Wood Elves.  Scenario was Battleline.  The list I used wasn’t optimised, there was a bit of fun stuff in it with some daft choices (Great Weapon on Lord, Potion of Foolhardiness on Wardancer Hero) but also some useful stuff as well.  Anyway, here it is:

• Spellweaver, Level 4, Lore of Beasts, Moonstone of the Hidden Ways, Obsidian Amulet, Dispel Scroll
• Highborn, Great Weapon, Light Armour, Bow of Loren, Arcane Bodkins, Charmed Shield, Dragonbane Gem, Annoyance of Netlings
• Noble, Battle Standard Bearer, Asyendi’s Bane, Hail of Doom Arrow, Dragonhelm
• Noble, Wardancer, Blades of Loec, Potion of Foolhardiness
• 16 Glade Guard, Full Command, Banner of Eternal Flame
• 10 Glade Guard, Musician
• 10 Glade Guard, Musician
• 10 Glade Guard, Musician
• 8 Dryads
• 8 Dryads
• 8 Dryads
• 8 Wardancers, Musician
• 5 Wardancers, Musician
• Treeman
• Great Eagle
• Great Eagle

Phil’s list was a typical GW staff-member army (in other words, fairly soft and full of all the new toys).  It was basically 3 Island of Blood sets, minus the Griffons, with Alarielle and a couple of Budgies. Here’s the list:

• Alarielle, The Everqueen
• Korhil
• Sea Helm, Reaver Bow, Heavy Armour, Shield (possibly another item)
• BSB (don’t know what items)
• Mage, Level 1, Ring of Fury, Dispel Scroll
• 5 Reavers, (Musician?)
• 5 Reavers, (Musician?)
• 5 Reavers, (Musician?)
• 29 Sea Guard, Full Command
• 29 Swordmasters, Full Command, Banner of the World Dragon
• Flamesypre Phoenix
• Flamespyre Phoenix

His stated goal was to test out the new High Elf stuff, so I don’t think he was expecting any degree of competitiveness from his list – just fun stuff.  Overall I think the list was a pretty good match-up for mine, with only his magic missiles that could really take out my chaff from range and with only two block units which were easy enough to redirect or otherwise hold off, but I was worried about his magic and wasn’t sure about what the Phoenixes might do.

Spells:  I ended up with Wyssan’s Wildform, Pann’s Impenetrable Pelt, Amber Spear and Savage Beast of Horros.  He chose High Magic for both his mages, Alarielle rolling Drain Magic, Soul Quench, Arcane Unforging and Walk Between Worlds, and the Lv 1 took Drain Magic.

I won the roll-off for deployment, so started with the chaff, and Phil followed suit with the Reavers.  I deployed fairly spread-out, with the Treeman and bigger Wardancer unit on my left flank, the three Dryad units in front, the Glade Guard behind.  I put the small unit of Wardancers in the middle, but realised that there wasn’t really much for them to do in this game.  Character sniping would be a challenge since the ASF from the High Elves would likely take the teeth out of their bite before they could do much, and there was little in the way of chaff for them to go after.  The Wardancer noble went in the Wardancer unit on the flank, and the other characters went in the big Glade Guard unit, which itself was deployed in the free forest near the centre.

His deployment was a Phoenix and Reaver unit on each flank, a Reaver unit in the centre and then Swordmasters and Sea Guard side by side in the middle, both in horde formation.  Alarielle, Korhil and the BSB went in the SM unit, the Sea Helm and Mage in the Sea Guard.  I’d been able to set up so that the Treeman and Wardancer unit were on the same side as his Sea Guard, figuring that the Sea Guard would be easier to deal with in combat than the Swordmasters.

I won the roll of for first turn, so he vanguarded with all three Reaver units and off we went.

Turn 1

I pushed the three Dryad units forwards, and moved up with all of the GG units to get into shooting range of the Phoenixes.  The Treeman and Wardancers marched up the left flank, and the Eagles both flew forwards ready to get in the way when needed.  Magic didn’t do much, but I cast a Savage Beast of Horros on the machine-gun general (for all the use it would do this turn...).  Shooting took one of the Phoenixes (the one opposite the Treeman & Wardancers) down to its last wound, and the Strangle-roots from the Treeman wiped out one of the Reaver units.

In his turn, the wounded Phoenix charged the Eagle (which I hadn’t anticipated) so the Eagle elected to flee.  The Phoenix then failed its attempt to redirect, so charged the eagle needing a 10 on the charge dice, and caught it.  Everything else moved forwards except the other Phoenix which bravely flew out of shooting range.  Magic and shooting didn’t do much (taking one of the Dryad units down to one model – but the survivor would come back to act as a speed-bump later), and on to turn 2.

Part-way through Phil's first turn, measuring up to Soul Quench the Dryads.  Notice the brave Phoenix at the back (top-right of pic) and the suicidal Reavers staring in the face of 10 Glade Guard (bottom-right).

Brave, brave Swordmasters...

... and an extremely courageous Phoenix...

Turn 2

This Phoenix was worrying me a bit at the start of Turn 2, since he was staring right at my exposed Spellweaver (the yellow blob in bottom-right of pic).  At this point it had only 1 wound left, however, so I was confident I could get rid of it, at least for this turn...

The Phoenix that had charged and caught the eagle (which was now looking right down the flank of the big Glade Guard unit with the Spellweaver dangerously vulnerable on the corner...) was now a bit more of a threat, so one of the Glade Guard units turned to be able to shoot it.  The big unit then angled itself to draw line of sight to the same Phoenix, so that in the event that everything else failed to kill it then they would have a go, but also would still be able to shoot the Sea Guard if magic or the small GG unit managed to kill the big bird. The Treeman moved forwards a bit but made sure to stay in Strangle-roots range of it.  Elsewhere, the Dryads danced around a bit and the other Eagle moved to block a unit of Reavers that were threatening the flank of a Glade Guard unit.  In the magic phase I cast a bubble Pann’s Pelt (just in case...), then Amber Spear and the Treeman’s bound Treesinging both failed to finish off the Phoenix, as did Strangle-roots, meaning a Glade Guard unit had to shoot it.  At point blank range, they did what the rest couldn’t, and turned it into a pile of ash.  Another GG unit cleared out the second Reaver unit.  The rest of the shooting went in the direction of the Sea Guard and the BSB took his chance to launch the Hail of Doom at them as well, overall taking the unit down by a bit more than a third. With no combats to resolve the end of turn came.  When it came to the Phoenix’s resurrection roll, he rolled a 1 meaning it was completely dead and wasn’t coming back to bother me.

In his turn, the other Phoenix charged a Dryad unit and the Reavers charged the eagle that was in their way.  Soul Quench took out the small Wardancer unit and the Reaver Bow chipped a wound off the Treeman.  In combat, the Dryads took two wounds off the Phoenix for two wounds in return, so lost combat but held on a roll of 6.  The eagle took a wound for one kill in return, broke and fled, but escaped the Reavers with a double-6.   

Turn 3

With a Phoenix down and two Reaver units gone, I was able to turn most of the shooting onto the Sea Guard and march the Treeman and Wardancers up to threaten the same unit. The eagle rallied on the board edge to block the approaching Reavers again.  One of the GG units then tried to swift-reform to shoot the final Reaver unit but failed the Leadership roll so were unable to shoot.  The machine-gun general then moved out of his unit so as to be able to shoot at them instead.  Finally the unengaged Dryad unit moved to block the Swordmasters.  Magic was again relatively ineffective, with the only spell being a Wyssan’s Wildform on the Dryads facing the SM.  Shooting continued to go in the direction of the Sea Guard, thinning them out quite a bit further although not as well as the turn previously.  The machine gun lord took out three of the four surviving Reavers.  The Dryads in combat with the Phoenix broke this turn, and were run down leaving the Phoenix free to charge the flank of the same Glade Guard unit that had failed its swift reform.

In his turn, the last Reaver charged the eagle and the Phoenix charged the exposed Glade Guard unit.  It was exactly half and half across the line between front and flank, so we rolled a dice and the 4+ came up in his favour, giving him the flank and denying the Stand & Shoot.  The Swordmasters charged the Dryads in front of them, and the Sea Guard reformed and shuffled backwards a bit to pull them away from the approaching Treeman/Wardancer tag-team.  In the magic phase, he successfully cast Walk Between Worlds on the Sea Guard to get them out of dodge but not wanting my prey to escape, I used my Dispel Scroll on it.  He then surprised me by using Alarielle’s magic staff to try to cast the spell again – this time he didn’t roll as highly, so I threw my dispel dice at it and stopped it again.  Shooting from the Sea Guard killed a couple of Wardancers. All three combats were won by the High Elves, with the Phoenix killing several GG with its attacks and Thunderstomp, so the unit broke, fled and was run down.  The eagle took no wounds, but missed both attacks so lost by one and also broke and fled.  This time, however, the Reaver got him.  Korhil rinsed through the Dryads without even breaking a sweat, and the Swordmasters were revealed to be carrying the BoTWD protecting them against the remaining Dryads’ attacks (EDIT: a comment from Phil regarding said banner; "I'd like to point out that the 6 rolls I made with a 2+ save I failed 3!"). The SM then finished them off, freeing them up for an overrun.

Turn 4

The Treeman and Wardancers were 12” and 13” respectively away from the Sea Guard, so after a minute of indecision I elected to march them 10” forwards to Strangle-roots the SG (now down to 15 models plus Sea Helm and Mage) and charge the survivors next turn.  With one Glade Guard unit down, another swift reformed to shoot the Phoenix while the big unit and remaining small one lined up to shoot the Swordmasters.  The machine gun lord was still hanging around behind them to shoot the last Reaver. In retrospect, I should’ve left the Reaver to the GG and put the Lord back in the bunker unit ready to be Moonstoned away, as leaving him out to shoot the Reaver made him vulnerable later on.  Magic was uneventful, but the shooting finished off the Phoenix and Reaver and Strangle-roots thinned out the Sea Guard even more, while the big archer unit was now able to turn its attentions to the SM.  At the end of turn, the Phoenix failed to return from the dead on a roll of a 1 again. Bad luck for Phil, but I was quietly relieved to be free to concentrate on the block units which were all that remained, along with his characters.

The end of my Turn 4, and the Dryad preparing to make a heroic last stand, and the Treeman limbering up to play smash-face.  The bully.

In his turn, he decided to bail the Sea Helm and Mage out of the greatly-reduced Sea Guard unit, and charged the Swordmasters into the speed-bump Dryad (the survivor from T1!).  He successfully cast Walk Between Worlds on the Sea Helm, getting him out of dodge to avoid being Strangle-rooted, but putting him within short range of a Glade Guard unit.  The lone Dryad heroically died buying time for the big unit, which the SM promptly overran into.

The Sea Helm bravely leaves his men to die.

The Wood Elves know what's coming (hint: it's starts with Moon and ends with stone...) Now you see them...

Turn 5

This turn saw the MG lord moving up to shoot at the Sea Helm and a GG unit moving to draw LoS to the mage now out on his own, meanwhile the WD/Treeman deadly duo charged the last of the Sea Guard.  The other unengaged GG unit reformed to shoot the soon-to-be unengaged Swordmasters.  Then, it was Moonstone Time (“Can’t touch this!”) – the Spellweaver’s bunker then teleported to the diagonally opposite corner of the board, putting them well out of range of the Swordmasters.  Phil's only hope of catching them again now being to double-6 the boosted Walk Between Worlds this turn.  The MG-lord fluffed his hit rolls and failed to kill the Sea Helm, meaning the GG unit nearby had to finish the job.  A few more shots at the SM killed a couple.  In combat the WD decided to play it safe and use the 4+ Ward Save dance, as I reasoned that with 5 Wardancers, a Noble with Potion of Foolhardiness (lolz) and Blades of Loec, plus the Treeman and his thunderstomp, I had more than enough attacks to take out the few remaining Sea Guard.  Unsurprisingly, they got crushed between the blades of the WD and the mighty wooden feet of the Treeman for no damage in return.

...now you don't.

His turn saw the Mage try to escape from the Treeman/WD by moving out of their charge arcs, and he failed to cast the movement spell he needed to get his SM back across the board, leaving him with nothing else to do this turn.

Turn 6

Since he was out of the charge arcs, the Mage got Strangle-rooted instead (taking 10 hits!). The Swordmasters got shot a bit but only a couple died, and then there was nothing else for me to do.

His final turn, he took Alarielle out of the unit and 6-diced a Soul Quench at the MG lord, getting the double-6, doing more than enough hits to obliterate him.  He rolled an 8 on the miscast chart so survived and that brought the game to a close.

Ah, there they are over there! End of Turn 6, only a handful of Swordmasters, Alarielle, BSB and Korhil left on the High Elf side.  All the Wood Elf chaff and the Wood Elf General are dead.

Since it was only a friendly, we didn’t bother calculating VPs exactly since it was clear that I’d won, but we estimated roughly that I’d scored around 1350 and his successful killing of the general in T6 bumped his VPs up to about 950-1000.  I had a fun time (it’s always nice to win…) although I think I could’ve prevented the loss of the general without sacrificing any of the VP gains I made from his being out on his own which would’ve made for a bigger win to me.  There were several things that helped me this game.  Phil said afterwards that he should’ve gone balls-out and played with three copies of Soul Quench (one per wizard plus the Ring of Fury) to blast through my chaff, instead of going for two copies of Drain Magic, and that’s probably a fair point.  He also burned Alarielle’s spell-clone staff too soon.  If he’d waited to use it for Walk Between Worlds on the SM after I’d Moonstoned away (instead of trying to escape the inevitable with the Sea Guard), he’d probably have managed to get the spell off as I’d already burned my Scroll.  I think between those two decisions, it definitely swung the outcome in my favour.  Also the relative ease with which I managed to despatch his Reavers and Big Birds (he was unlucky that both Phoenixes died permanently on the first attempt to revive them) meant that he had little in the way of anything that could tie me up for his blocks to get on top of me.

“Man of the match” has to be the lone Dryad that survived the Soul Quench blast, only to end up being a speed-bump stopping his SM block from charging my Spellweaver bunker.  If the Dryad hadn’t survived the magic in T1, the Swordmasters would have caught me in T4 and most likely won outright.

Dryads for the win.

Cheers to Phil for the game.

Warhammer Episode VI: Return of the Wood Elves

Lately my enthusiasm for Warhammer of the Fantasy Battle variety has been severely lacking, and I've been a bit fed up with the whole game.  I found that my O&G became really dull to play and I just couldn't be bothered with them.

Recently, though, I've gone back to playing Wood Elves, which were my one and only army back in 7th edition, and spent the day yesterday at a small local tournament (10 players).  I had a really good time playing the Wood Elves despite them being generally considered as a poor army, and I definitely felt happier losing games with them than I ever did with the O&G.

Despite having used the Wood Elves a lot in 7th Ed., there is a lot about the army that I have forgotten over the three or four years since I last used them - notably, the Fear/Terror causing units (totally forgot to make my opponents take checks for these! What a fail.), and I got the rules for the Moonstone of Hidden Ways quite drastically wrong - completely overlooked the "One Use Only" line! Oops! So that was a mistake I won't make again.

Anyway, the list I used was:

Lords

Spellweaver, Level 4, Wand of Wych Elm, Moonstone of the Hidden Ways

Highborn, Alter, Light Armour, Great Weapon, Bow of Loren, Arcane Bodkins, Charmed Shield, Dragonbane Gem

Heroes

Noble, Light Armour, Battle Standard Bearer, Hail of Doom Arrow, Asyendi's Bane, Dragonhelm                                     

Core

10 Glade Guard

10 Glade Guard

10 Glade Guard

10 Glade Guard

8 Dryads  

8 Dryads

Special

8 Wardancers 

7 Wardancers

3 Treekin

Rare

Treeman

6 Waywatchers 

6 Waywatchers

I realise it's not an amazing list (in fact, I'm sure it's average at best) however it was entertaining to use despite my mistakes.  What follows is a brief summary of my three games yesterday.  I will try to include what I can about the lists but there is some stuff I might have forgotten, particularly with characters' magic items etc.

Game 1 - Vampire Counts

The List: Vampire Lord on Coven Throne, Lv 2 Wizard, Quickblood (some other items); Vampire BSB, Quickblood, Lv 1 Wizard (some other stuff); Vampire Lv 2, Dark Acolyte (some other stuff); Necromancer; 28 Grave Guard, Banner of the Barrows; one big block each of Ghouls, Skeletons and Zombies and a Terrorgheist.

In deployment he used a large watchtower to protect his left flank, putting the zombies next to this and the ghouls on the other side of the zombie unit.  The Coven Throne went behind the Zombies, flanked by the Grave Guard on the right flank (behind the ghouls) and the Skeletons on the left flank (also behind the Zombies), with the Necromancer in the Ghouls unit and the remaining Vampire characters went in the Grave Guard.  I put the Wood Elves fairly spread out, with the Treekin on the left flank opposite the Zombies, the Treeman and Wardancers on the right, with Dryads in the centre to try and redirect.  The archers spread out behind.  In Turn 1, he moved forward and cast a few spells but didn't really do much damage, taking a couple of wounds off a Dryad unit and boosting the size of his Zombies.  In my turn, I managed to shoot all but one wound off the Terrorgheist, meaning he could heal it in turn 2.  I spent a few turns dodging his sight arcs and trying to stay out of his charge range, but ultimately between the Terrogheist shouting and me failing to kill it, he was able to whittle down all the units.  The Spellweaver was in a unit of archers who, threatened with a charge they couldn't quite escape from, charged into the exposed flank of the Zombies who were pinned in place by the Treekin, but a round of horrifically bad attack rolls meant that one Zombie survived and the archers were unable to overrun out of the way.  This meant that they got charged in the flank themselves by the Coven Throne, and the Vampires killed the unit and ran down the mage.  After this, it was just mopping up for the Vampires, although I did manage to kill enough stuff to claw back a few VPs. The game ended 17-3 to him.

Game 2 - Warriors of Chaos

The List: Daemon Prince, Mark of Nurgle, Flying, Lv 4 Wizard; Sorcerer, Lv 2 Wizard, Lore of Death; BSB, some toys (can't remember what he had); 19 Warriors of Chaos, Mark of Khorne, Full Command; 24 (I think) Warriors of Chaos, Mark of Nurgle, Full Command; 8 Ogres, Mark of Nurgle; 3 Ogres, Mark of Khorne; 6 Forsaken, 2 Spawn, 5 Hounds.

In this game my opponent deployed his Warriors blocks fairly centrally with the chaff all on the right flank, leaving his left flank exposed.  I made some mistakes with deployment because I ended up with most of my units bogged down opposite the chaff and couldn't bring any forces to bear against his exposed flank.  With his demon prince flying around casting Stream of Corruption and Rancid Visitations and passing ludicrous amounts of Ward Saves against the shooting, most of my units died while not doing much damage in return.  His Forsaken proved to be ridiculously hard to kill, again down to some godawful damage rolls and jammy armour saves, which meant the he pinned down first the Wardancers, then Dryads, then Glade Guard while slowly chewing through them.  To be fair, the game hung in the balance for three turns while the Wood Elves avoided being pinned down while trying to get into position to do some damage, but ultimately it game down to a really good magic phase in Turn 4 which obliterated key units and gave him enough of an edge to clean up.  I think that this is a game I could actually have won with a bit more care. I made a lot of mistakes in this game, with deployment, target selection and movement decisions - a valuable learning experience.  I haven't quite figured out how to pull all the elements of the Wood Elf army together yet!

Game 3 - Warriors of Chaos

The List: Valkia the Bloody, 24 Warriors HW/Shield & Mark of Khorne; 24 Marauders, Flails, Mark of Khorne; 24 Marauders, HW/Shield & Mark of Khorne; 24 Marauders, HW/Shield & Mark of Khorne; 5 Ogres, Mark of Khorne; 5 Knights, Lances, Mark of Khorne; Hellcannon.

This list was an unfortunately good match-up for my army.  He deployed the flails unit on the far left flank, Knights on the right, Warriors next to the flails, the the other two marauder units side by side in the middle.  The Ogres he put out in front with Valkia standing next to them - on her own in the open.  The hellcannon went at the back near the Warriors.  I put the Treeman and Treekin together straight across from the Ogres, confident that both units together could defeat the Ogres and the Marauders behind them.  He got first turn and marched his whole army fowards, hoping to declare charges in turn 2.  In return, I shot all the Archers at Valkia.  Between 4+ Look Out Sir! rolls and T5, and horrible hit rolls from the archers, I only managed to take two of her 3 wounds away.  My Treeman and Treekin went through the Ogres without even breaking a sweat.  His Turn 2, Valkia declared a charge against an archer unit and with no LOS! rolls to fall back on, the Stand and Shoot reaction finished her off.  The Treeman and Treekin then creamed the Marauder unit that they'd overrun into.  With no BSB, his steadfast didn't really help all that much, as he fluffed his Ld 7 break test.  Waywatchers and the Alter noble took out the knights by turn 3, the Dryads were sacrificed to stall the Warriors block for a couple of turns and pull them out of the way, to allow the archers to shoot the rest of the army to pieces.  In the end, the only unit left alive was the Warriors block which I had resolved early on to just ignore, and pull out of the way to allow the rest of the army to kill the Marauders.  A 20-0 win for the Wood Elves, although it didn't really feel like I deserved it; the army I was up against was a really good match for mine, and it came more down to his choice of Valkia and Khorne Marauders as an army than anything else.

Overall, despite losing two games I really enjoyed playing with the Wood Elves.  More in future, and pics as the army develops!

Ciao for now.

NS

Life Choices in the Sword Coast

If you don't understand the conundrum below, get off my page:

So I'm travelling through the Sword Coast, searching for my usual party of adventurers.  With Imoen, Kivan and Branwen safely in the bag, I head to Nashkel looking for Minsc, but along the way I pick up Neera who, being a mage makes Dynaheir redundant; so without Dynaheir, I can't take Minsc - which leaves me with a huge decision! Do I take two mages, so I can bring Minsc along? The question is, who goes?  Number one on the list is Imoen, but she's so useful being a Thief.  If she goes, I have to fill up all my level 2 spell slots with Knock and all sorts of other complicated concerns for rogue-less parties.  So if Imoen has to stay, that means I have to drop Dynaheir and Minsc since they come as a matched pair.  But then I have an empty slot, and who to fill it with?

GAH, Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, Y U MAKE LIFE CHOICES SO DIFFICULT?

Damn you, Overhaul.